This is the last post of three dealing with an online discussion I’ve had with Dr. Dean Jenkins, unless new, original points are made.
If you missed the first two posts, here are the links :
Note: Below is the doctor’s reply, uninterrupted. My reply follows.
Just found this! Thanks Steve for summarising the discussion.
I’ve replied in the Google+ thread already and that is public too. https://plus.google.com/107432884544968913388/posts/U9dBe8g7prS
The Frederick Allen diet was designed to keep people with Type 1 diabetes alive before the discovery of insulin. It worked. He was famous for it and it had low carbs. (A)
You asked a specific question about the nutritional composition of the diet and I couldn’t be exact about the conversion of percentage calories to grams of carbohydrate. You got me there. Fair enough.
Just to be clear people with Type 1 diabetes require insulin and should continue to take it. (B)
The discussion we are having about high carb vs. low carb diets is for people with Type 2 diabetes and whether the diet and lifestyle regime that works for you could work for others. Yes it can – but not everybody will be able or willing to do so. I’d argue that many, perhaps the majority, would not be willing to do so and that is not because their dietitians or physicians are encouraging them to eat carbs and take more medication it is because they find changing their diet difficult. (C)
My belief on ‘normality’ is that there should be no difference in the diet of people with or without diabetes. We should all be on a ‘healthy’ diet – whatever that is and there is much debate on it. (D)
Keep up the advocacy for diabetes! BTW maybe you should label me a “DiabetesUK” minion as I’m not in theUSalthough I sometimes go to theADAmeetings.
My Comment Reply
This discussion all began because you posted an article that was pro-vegetarian diet for diabetics.
I asked you if you knew of any vegan diabetics weaning off drugs and insulin with normal blood sugar….because I was interested in talking to them.
7 days later and after changing the subject and evading the question … you finally admit that you did not know of a single vegan diabetic who had normal blood sugar and who had weaned off drugs and insulin.
Point A: When you originally posted about “The Fredrick Allen Diet”… you completely mis-characterized it. You stated the patients were wasting a way due to it being low in carbs. Your quote,
” It involved very, very low carbohydrate diets that left patients alive but on the brink of starvation.”
NOW you state that ‘it worked’, I’m glad you now see the benefits of a low carb meal plan. … however…
Previously, when you stated that the ‘low carb diet’ was keeping patients on the ‘brink of starvation’, you some how missed the fact that it was also a calorie restricted diet. No where in your commentary did you mention this. Convenient when arguing against a low carb diet.
Prolonged calorie restriction can lead to ‘wasting away’… I’ve been on a very low carb meal plan for two years now… and I THRIVE. I definitely do NOT waste away but I eat the plenty of protein and fats.
Point B: I am WELL aware that Type 1 Diabetics require insulin… that’s why they are Type 1. You must be aware that the High Carb Meal Plan has many Type 2 Diabetics requiring Insulin as well.
Point C : So you claim that many will not go ‘low carb Paleo’ ….
“…because they find changing their diet difficult.”
You made this same point numerous times as if it proves your point… and as if I am arguing this point.
FOR THE 3rd time: we are in agreement that most will not go low carb paleo. Where we differ is on the Why and What to do about it.
1) It’s because vast majority of diabetics never hear about Low Carb Paleo. So you seem to want to play GOD and decide that NO ONE gets to hear about it because some won’t do it???
Can I play that game and decide that since some patients will not survive surgery… let’s end all surgeries? … I think not.
2) When they ARE told about Low Carb Paleo, it’s ridiculed as being short term solution, not a long term option.
Or it’s stated that it’s not healthy, lacking grains/fiber etc…
Lastly, they are told Low Carb Paleo is damaging to the heart, with all the saturated fats clogging the arteries.
There are others. But you get the point.
3) The 3rd main reason most will not do it? Not only is their so called “Diabetes Educator” not going to support them but neither is Oprah, Dr. Oz, their doctor, their nurse, their best friend, their pastor, their dentist … NO one.
THERE IS NO SUPPORT…every one ridicules it.
SO, given the utter lack of support, I agree: many will not go low carb …today.
And why is there NO support?
Because people in the ‘Medical Industry’ continue to push a grain based, high carb meal plan that only benefits the Medical Industry (more customers), Big Pharma (more drug sales) and Big Agra Biz (Monsanto, PepsiCo, Coca Cola, etc)
WILL YOU be part of the solution???
What to do about it?
1) Your Solution: hide low carb paleo from all… since all will not do it.
2) My Solution: tell ALL about low carb paleo FIRST… and support those who can’t … pushing them to lower carbs gradually.
Lastly (for part C) : You sadly state that many will not go low carb paleo …
“because they find changing their diet difficult.”
And to that claim I’ll say:
1) Any diet change is difficult. We ALL resist change.
2) Following the ADA, high carb meal plan is difficult too… few even follow it!
Do you know why?
It’s like telling an alcoholic to only drink a six pack… the addiction NEVER ENDS!
You can NOT eat high carb foods, such as grains, pasta, cereals, legumes, breads, cakes and cookies and BREAK the addiction.
3) How do you know how many COULD do it if they had the support of doctors, friends, TV docs and the medical industry???
And what if ONLY one person changed their lives… but what if it was YOUR mother, daughter, son or YOU.
Still… you seem to want to play God… and to decide that since most won’t do Low Carb Paleo … let’s keep it a secret.
Point D : … not sure what you are thinking here my friend.
a) You said…. “…there should be no difference in the diet of people with or without diabetes. “
… so you are going to play God and decide that people should not know there is a way to eat that will reduce drugs and insulin???
Are you serious???
I’ve heard similar statements in the past from so called “Certified Diabetes Educators” like Hope Warshaw … but I expected more from you.
… I’m guessing your ‘one diet’ for diabetics would be ‘wholesome whole grains’, soy beans, rice, breads, cereals, pasta, potato, beets, etc? If you think we have an epidemic of obesity and diabetes now??? Wait until this ‘diet’ goes ‘world wide’.
… what a coincidence that ‘your diet for all’ also just happens to be the diet that increases drugs and insulin usage…
It also just happens to be the diet that keeps them coming back for more ‘diabetic services’.
I agree, people with diabetes should be able to eat foods that raise their blood sugar and that require an increase in drugs and insulin to keep them alive… However they DESERVE a right to know that there is a BETTER WAY!!!!
Type 2 Diabetics deserve to know that MOST can wean off of all drugs and insulin entirely… all can reduce drugs and insulin. Potentially BEING FREE from daily insulin shots and drugs that cause other health problems.
Type 1 Diabetics deserve to know that they CAN greatly reduce the soaring highs and crashing lows associated with a high carb meal plan. They TOO can reduce drugs and insulin usage.
– where you can learn about TRUE diabetes care.
Dr. Bernstein – Click Here for a post on a true diabetes educator… his book, “The Diabetes Solution”… He’s a 70+ year old, Type 1 Diabetic with normal kidney function etc.
Dr. BG’s Blog . The only Certified Diabetes Educator I read and heed….and she’s a PhD!
There are so many reasons a low carb meal plan is preferred, pancreas beta cell preservation is certainly one. Why ‘over work’ the pancreas causing beta cell burn out??? Even Type 1’s …
Excellent Video from Robb Wolf – giving Paleo Overview – Robb Wolf is author of “Paleo Solution”