This ‘debate’ is not about who ‘won’ the discussion…
Every day millions of diabetics “lose’ the battle to diabetes thanks to high blood sugar levels.
Every day millions damage cells which over time, if they live long enough will lead to organ failure and amputations.
Life with diabetes does NOT have to end that way….
If you missed the Part I post, you can see it here, “Dissecting an MD’s ADA Minion Argument“. It would probably be best to read it now… or you can view the entire two ‘threads’ as they unfolded without commentary by clicking on these links.
First Link… not much here but this is where the discussion started.
https://plus.google.com/107432884544968913388/posts/5E83nnUyXuE
Second Link
https://plus.google.com/107432884544968913388/posts/U9dBe8g7prS
Part II
Dean Jenkins – a credentialed Medical Doctor who has considerable experience in the diabetes care field.
vs.
Me, Steve Cooksey… a Type 2 Diabetic who has weaned off drugs & insulin AND who has Normal Blood Sugar.
I also have experience helping and coaching others to do the same.
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Medical Industry says, “don’t tell them about LC Paleo since not everyone can do it.”
I say, “Tell them ALL about Low Carb Paleo FIRST. Choose treating the disease FIRST… if they can’t do LC Paleo, then … suggest a more moderate lowER carb plan designed to reduce carbs/grains over time.
The Drug first option with high carbs is unpardonable… it benefits only the Big Pharma, the Medical Industry and Big Food Companies…. it does NOT benefit the diabetic.
… your ‘reason’ for not telling them is … because not ALL can/will do it?
A) YOU are saying , “let’s keep this a secret since not everyone can do it’. You are harming the many because some won’t do it???
B) More would and could ‘stick to it’ if they were supported in their low carb quest … instead LC Paleo is ridiculed as are it’s adherents.
C) Not sticking to a ‘diet’ as a reason not to promote it??? ALMOST no one sticks to ANY diet… you know this… so let’s promote ‘no diet’ … eat what you want as long as you take enough insulin and drugs…. UGH!
3) We definitely disagree here.
Because of Low Carb Paleo … I am normal. I have normal blood sugar and I live a normal life.
My NORMAL… no drugs, no insulin… just living and THRIVING.
Your ‘normal’ is a lifetime of drug use, soaring high and crashing lows … and the resulting neuropathy is VERY COMMON… and you know this. You also know that loss of eyesight, loss of organ function and limbs is too common as well.
That’s not normal ‘human’ life… that is sadly the high carb diabetic life….
Think about this… ALL who go low carb paleo … reduce drugs and insulin… 100%.
All have better blood sugar control… especially for type 2’s the reduction is almost immediate. Obviously for T1’s there are many more variables.
Additional Resources
http://www.trackyourplaque.com/blog/ Authored by Dr. William Davis, a diabetic who’s a cardiologist…and yes he’s anti statins too.
http://drbganimalpharm.blogspot.com/ This lady is a Paleo, a CDE and a PhD in Pharmacology

My view remains the same:
“Conclusions are limited by study design and small numbers, but it appears that reduced carbohydrate diets are safe and effective over the short term for people with type 2 diabetes.” Dyson PA. A review of low and reduced carbohydrate diets and weight loss in type 2 diabetes. J Hum Nutr Diet 2008 Dec;21(6):530-538. Available from:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18759958
“There are no high quality data on the efficacy of the dietary treatment of type 2 diabetes, however the data available indicate that the adoption of exercise appears to improve glycated haemoglobin at six and twelve months in people with type 2 diabetes. There is an urgent need for well-designed studies which examine a range of interventions, at various points during follow-up” Nield L, Moore HJ, Hooper L, Cruickshank JK, Vyas A, Whittaker V, Summerbell CD. Dietary advice for treatment of type 2 diabetes mellitus in adults. Cochrane Database Syst Rev 2007;(3):CD004097. Available from:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17636747
Whilst I understand the evidence that low carb paleolithic diets suggests they may work I’m yet to be convinced that they should be recommended main stream. There needs to be more evidence of their effectiveness first.

We could have a real debate regarding diet for ‘non-diabetics’ … but for diabetics… can you as a ‘man of science’ argue that reduced carbohydrates = less glucose = less need for drugs and insulin??? … no, you can not…. not with a clear conscience.



YOU can choose to improve patients health today! … you can reduce neuropathy, reduce organ damage, reduce amputation in your patients… TODAY!
… or you can say that you are concerned because there are no long term studies…. and hide it from patients.
No…wait… you can hide it from patients because some may not be able to go low carb.
… the choice is yours.
Treat disease or treat the symptoms with a presciption pad.
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Summary
Not much to add to this… that hasn’t already been said.
In part 1, I asked you to listen to his comments and determine… why he does not support a low carb paleo meal plan.
Is it…
1) Intellectual Laziness
2) Willful Ignorance
3) Greed
4) Or All of the Above
… what is your opinion?
Hope you enjoy this exchange but more importantly… I hope you learn from it.
I do want to thank Dr. Jenkins for the opportunity to have this discussion.
I think it is interesting that he shows good results for bariatric surgery patients, but doesn’t acknowledge that most bariatric patients are put on a low carb diet before the surgery (to show them what they will be eating) and following surgery. Maybe they should just try the diet for longer instead of the surgery. But then pharma and the medical industry (and yes it’s an industry now too) would be out all those dollars for the surgery and meds.
Excellent Point and thanks for reminding me that most American Society of Bariatric Physicians (ASBP) doctors are aware of and promote an LC meal plan, according to Dr. Eric Westman.
Very sad. Cannot recommend it because there haven’t been long term studies? And so, where are the long-term studies that ADA diet works?
Exactly! … sadly 90% of diabetics fail at blood sugar control….and who can??? Eating a high carb meal plan that causes soaring highs…and crashing lows. :(
Thanks for the comment.
Thanks, Steve for all your info..It is pricless! Have printed out a lot of this info for the few T2’s at my work…most of what I get is “But my doctor told me”…When I show them my fasting numbers, they think I “rigged” the meter..LOL. Just follow the The Paleo Way, I tell them, and refer them to your site. I also have come up against a lot of flack on the “Minon” sites for pushing the Paleo diet…even when trying to talk to people with morning BG #s in the 200-300 range..they think I am out of my mind to “try” to do the “Paleo Thing”…I hope one day people will wake up, before
their legs are gone…:(
Gary, I ‘feel your frustration’ … I do believe one day most will know the truth.
I just hope that all of these ADA Minions will be alive to see their life’s work refuted so they’ll know that they personally were partially responsible for the harming of MILLIONS of diabetics.
… anyway, I better stop now before I start rambling. Thanks!